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		<title>pre-post-mortem</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I put up my last post asking for a show of hands from women in python, I wasn&#8217;t really sure what to expect. I&#8217;m not exactly well-known in python outside of some of the testing guys and the guys I work with, and I did a poor job of publicizing the post. In fact, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I put up <a href="http://www.newsprint-fray.com/2009/08/12/roll-call-women-in-python/">my last post</a> asking for a show of hands from women in python, I wasn&#8217;t really sure what to expect. I&#8217;m not exactly well-known in python outside of some of the testing guys and the guys I work with, and I did a poor job of publicizing the post. In fact, all I did was link it on twitter and on my livejournal; other people took care of the rest for me. (Thanks, other people!)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s turned out rather well, though! I knew it was more than eight, and I know it&#8217;s more than have commented, but it&#8217;s really cool to see all these women showing up and talking a little bit about how they use python. It&#8217;s equally cool how diverse their experiences and projects are: everything from &#8220;sometimes I use it at home to get links into delicious&#8221; to &#8220;I use it as part of my high-energy physics research.&#8221; Comments continue to trickle in, and I smile every time.</p>
<p>&#8230; well, almost every time. There have been, unsurprisingly, a number of trollish comments that I&#8217;ve deleted (and mocked, of course). There was also the dude who came by to give me helpful advice on how to ask a question in order to get a more definitive answer. &#8220;Are you a woman in python,&#8221; he claimed, was too broad, too open to interpretation. </p>
<p>And that, I say, is part of the point: I want it to be open to interpretation. I think the ways in which we interpret questions can be telling. What right do I have to make a list of things you have to do to be &#8220;in python&#8221;? I wondered how many people would comment to say they use python, but they&#8217;re not a &#8220;real&#8221; programmer. Why do we say that? How common is it for a woman to say, &#8220;well, I write a few scripts in my spare time,&#8221; and have that be brushed off because, in some way, &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t count&#8221;? I don&#8217;t know, but I&#8217;m not going to do it. If you&#8217;re a woman, and you consider yourself to be &#8220;in python,&#8221; whatever that means to you, then that&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
<p>More later. This has stirred up a lot of thinky thoughts for me. </p>
<p>[By the way, if you feel like asking, "why does this matter?" or "who cares about gender when we are so awesomely post-feminism?" (as a few people already have) then I will direct you to <a href="http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/purpose/faq-i-asked-some-feminists-a-question-and-instead-of-answering-they-sent-me-here-why/">this site</a> and delete your comment.]</p>


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		<title>Roll call: women in python</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lately I&#8217;ve been wanting to talk more about women in python, which I see as a subset of the women in open source conversation that&#8217;s been taking place. I really wanted to start by talking to other women, though, to see who they are and what their experiences have been and how mine compare. Except&#8230; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately I&#8217;ve been wanting to talk more about women in python, which I see as a subset of the women in open source conversation that&#8217;s been taking place. I really wanted to start by talking to other women, though, to see who they are and what their experiences have been and how mine compare.</p>
<p>Except&#8230; who ARE the women in python? I can name eight, including myself. There must be more, right? There must be women using python who don&#8217;t participate in the larger community. There must be women who ARE active and whom I&#8217;m just not aware of. It can&#8217;t possibly just be eight. My Planet Python RSS feed shows me no regular female contributors (that can&#8217;t be right, can it?); three PSF members are female (out of 112) but none of them are officers or are on the board; nobody on python core is female.</p>
<p>My view is fairly limited in scope, so what I want to know is: are there really so few women using python in the first place? Or are there women using it who keep their heads down or don&#8217;t engage with the larger python community? It seems to me that those are separate issues, to be addressed in different ways.</p>
<p>So I am proposing a roll-call. Are you a woman using python? At work, at home, at school, in any capacity whatsoever? Raise your hand. Be counted.</p>
<p>(Men, please do not raise your hand on behalf of your female colleagues or friends. Send &#8216;em on over. Let them speak for themselves.)</p>


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